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		<title>Wired goes inside the Apple-AT&amp;T relationship</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2010/07/19/wired-goes-inside-the-apple-att-relationship/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a top to bottom clash of cultures and a divorce waiting to happen. When an AT&#38;T representative suggested to one of Jobs’ deputies that the Apple CEO wear a suit to meet with AT&#38;T’s board of directors, he was told, “We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/07/ff_att_fail/" href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/07/ff_att_fail/" target="_blank">Sounds like</a> a top to bottom clash of cultures and a divorce waiting to happen.</p>
<blockquote><p>When an AT&amp;T representative suggested to one of Jobs’ deputies that the Apple CEO wear a suit to meet with AT&amp;T’s board of directors, he was told, “We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Is Verizon&#8217;s grass greener for iPhone users?</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2010/05/24/is-verizons-grass-greener-for-iphone-users/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marco Arment on life with Verizon: It’s easy to think that the grass is always greener away from AT&#38;T, but keep in mind that these are cellular carriers: massive oligopolists that don’t give a s*** about us. Their phones are ARPU vending machines, first and foremost, not communication tools. Cellular carriers are only a small [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marco Arment on <a title="http://www.marco.org/628763225" href="http://www.marco.org/628763225" target="_blank">life with Verizon</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s easy to think that the grass is always greener away from AT&amp;T, but keep in mind that these are cellular carriers: massive oligopolists that don’t give a s*** about us. Their phones are ARPU vending machines, first and foremost, not communication tools. Cellular carriers are only a small step above cable and phone companies in the contempt and disregard they show for their customers.</p></blockquote>
<p>This sums up my thoughts on wireless phone companies.  I don&#8217;t think I could have said it any better.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">(h/t <a title="http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/24/verizon" href="http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/24/verizon" target="_blank">Daring Fireball</a>)</p>
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		<title>AT&amp;T goes after Google Voice</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2009/09/25/att-goes-after-google-voice/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who think AT&#038;T had no blood on their hands regarding the Google Voice iPhone app, you might be right. That doesn&#8217;t mean they like the service though. Phonescoop is reporting that they have filed a complaint against Google for blocking certain numbers. AT&#038;T alleges that Google Voice blocks customers from calling certain numbers, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who think AT&#038;T had no blood on their hands regarding the Google Voice iPhone app, you might be right.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they like the service though.  <a href="http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=4883" title="http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=4883">Phonescoop is reporting</a> that they have filed a complaint against Google for blocking certain numbers.</p>
<blockquote><p>AT&#038;T alleges that Google Voice blocks customers from calling certain numbers, thereby violating FCC regulations. AT&#038;T likens the call-blocking to the call for net neutrality, and says that if phone companies need to all play by the same rules, then so do internet companies such as Google. Google Voice is a call-forwarding system that lets users give out one central phone number and have it ring other phone lines when called. It allows users to maintain some degree of privacy, as well as consolidate services. Google does block Voice customers from calling adult chat lines and some conference call systems due to the high fees levied by those services.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>The Google Voice iPhone app saga goes to the FCC [Updated]</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2009/08/21/the-google-voice-iphone-app-saga-goes-to-the-fcc/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[USA Today is reporting (via MacRumors) that comments are being filed with the FCC regarding Apple&#8217;s rejection of the Google Voice app in the iPhone App Store.  Apparently, Apple is not the only company facing questions.  Google may have some questions to answer on the related subject of the crippled version of Skype on their Android [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-08-20-google-internet-calls-apple_N.htm">USA Today is reporting</a> (via <a title="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/21/comments-on-google-voice-rejection-filed-today-google-under-scrutiny-for-similar-actions/" href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/21/comments-on-google-voice-rejection-filed-today-google-under-scrutiny-for-similar-actions/" target="_blank">MacRumors</a>) that comments are being filed with the FCC regarding <a title="http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/28/regarding-google-voice-the-iphone-and-rejection/" href="http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/28/regarding-google-voice-the-iphone-and-rejection/" target="_self">Apple&#8217;s rejection of the Google Voice app</a> in the iPhone App Store.  Apparently, Apple is not the only company facing questions.  Google may have some questions to answer on the related subject of the crippled version of <a title="http://share.skype.com/sites/skypegear/2009/01/video_skype_lite_on_android.html" href="http://share.skype.com/sites/skypegear/2009/01/video_skype_lite_on_android.html" target="_blank">Skype on their Android operating system</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why: Consumers who use Android, the Google-developed operating system for wireless devices, can&#8217;t use <a title="More news, photos about Skype" href="http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Culture/Computers+and+Internet/Software/Skype" target="_blank">Skype</a>, a leading Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) service. A pioneer in free Internet calling, Skype allows you to talk as long as you want without draining cellphone minutes.</p>
<p>Android users get Skype Lite, a watered-down version of the original that routes calls over traditional phone networks — not the Internet. As a result, long-distance calls are still cheap or free, but cellphone minutes are gobbled up every time a Skype Lite call is made&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Google&#8217;s explanation would seem to suggest that T-Mobile requested the block on Skype, but the carrier says that&#8217;s not the case. &#8220;T-Mobile has not asked Google to block that service,&#8221; says spokesman Joe Farren, referring to original Skype [sic]. <em>&#8211; USA Today</em></p></blockquote>
<p>In both of these cases, it is clear that neither the carriers nor OS providers want to take the blame.  Maybe the FCC can break this problem open and make progress, but <a title="http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/31/the-fcc-wants-to-know-more-about-the-gv-app-rejection/" href="http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/31/the-fcc-wants-to-know-more-about-the-gv-app-rejection/" target="_self">as stated before</a>, &#8220;consider me skeptical.&#8221;</p>
<p>UPDATE: <a title="http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/atandt-tells-the-fcc-it-had-no-role-in-removing-google-voice-fro/" href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/atandt-tells-the-fcc-it-had-no-role-in-removing-google-voice-fro/" target="_blank">Apple says</a> it acted alone in rejecting the app.  Something still smells fishy here, but if this is the case, bad Apple!</p>
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		<title>The FCC wants to know more about the GV app rejection</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/31/the-fcc-wants-to-know-more-about-the-gv-app-rejection/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Via MacRumors: In letters sent late Friday to the three companies, the FCC asked why Apple rejected the Google Voice application for the iPhone and removed related &#8220;third-party applications&#8221; from its store. The letter also seeks information on how AT&#038;T was consulted in the decision, if at all. According to the article, this is part [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/31/fcc-investigating-apples-rejection-of-google-voice-iphone-application/" title="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/31/fcc-investigating-apples-rejection-of-google-voice-iphone-application/">MacRumors</a>:</p>
<blockquote ><p>In letters sent late Friday to the three companies, the FCC asked why Apple rejected the Google Voice application for the iPhone and removed related &#8220;third-party applications&#8221; from its store.</p>
<p>The letter also seeks information on how AT&#038;T was consulted in the decision, if at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to the article, this is part of a broader investigation of the telecom industry that is looking at AT&#038;T and Verizon specifically for potential anti-competitive behavior.</p>
<p>Hopefully some real answers and positive change will come out of this, but consider me skeptical.</p>
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		<title>Regarding Google Voice, the iPhone, and rejection</title>
		<link>http://kevindayton.com/2009/07/28/regarding-google-voice-the-iphone-and-rejection/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today has brought yet another big fuss about Apple rejecting an iPhone App Store submission.  This time it wasn't some random developer but none other than Google.  The app was a companion to the Google Voice (GV) service, which ironically, I just received an invitation to yesterday.  The blame and outrage has been pretty evenly spread between Apple and AT&#038;T and rightly so.  The problem I have with some of the commentary out there now is that everyone seems to be making assumptions and illogical leaps to back up their claim on who is at fault.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today has brought yet another big fuss about Apple rejecting an iPhone App Store submission.  This time it wasn&#8217;t some random developer but none other than Google.  The app was a companion to the Google Voice (GV) service, which ironically, I just received an invitation to yesterday.  The blame and outrage has been pretty evenly spread between Apple and AT&amp;T and rightly so.  The problem I have with some of the commentary out there now is that everyone seems to be making assumptions and illogical leaps to back up their claim on who is at fault.  For example <a title="http://gigaom.com/2009/07/28/google-voice-iphone/" href="http://gigaom.com/2009/07/28/google-voice-iphone/" target="_blank">GigaOm writes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;Some allege that Apple is doing this at AT&amp;T’s behest.</p>
<p>That is just flat-out wrong: If it were true, then Google Voice would be banned on BlackBerry devices that use AT&amp;T as well. As of this morning, everything is working fine on my AT&amp;T-connected Bold (except for the usual dropped calls, of course). And are people forgetting that you need AT&amp;T’s voice network to send and receive Google Voice calls?</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with this is that you can get the GV app for the BlackBerry <a title="http://www.google.com/mobile/products/voice.html#p=blackberry" href="http://www.google.com/mobile/products/voice.html#p=blackberry" target="_blank">directly from Google</a>.  There is no app-store-like gatekeeper in the case of the BlackBerry when it comes to this app.  I&#8217;m not sure how AT&amp;T could ban this app on a BlackBerry.  Perhaps there is a simple answer to this that I am unaware of, but on the surface, I don&#8217;t think there is a way.  The same argument could be made when the <a title="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/05/12/att_pins_neutered_slingplayer_on_iphone_not_being_a_phone.html" href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/05/12/att_pins_neutered_slingplayer_on_iphone_not_being_a_phone.html" target="_blank">Sling Player debacle</a> is brought up for comparison.</p>
<p>This statement also attempts to minimize AT&amp;T&#8217;s concern based on the fact you still must use AT&amp;T lines to dial.  This is true, but it doesn&#8217;t account for those precious SMS messages for which AT&amp;T likes to charge way too much.  If Google can offer unlimited text messages for free, most people would drop that $20 per month plan they have with Ma Bell.</p>
<p>I also would not underestimate the power that GV takes away from the carrier as a reason for AT&amp;T to disapprove.  GV gives the end user much more control over their telephone number than the typical mobile service does.  With GV, I can choose which phones ring when someone calls.  I can mark annoying callers as spam.  I can change mobile numbers any time I want, and once I update GV, it is completely transparent to those calling on my GV number.  It really takes number portability to the next level in my mind.</p>
<p>It also takes the visual voicemail concept a step further by not only giving access to voicemail in an e-mail-like view, but also adding voicemail transcription as well.  Perhaps this didn&#8217;t sit to well with Apple who might see this as Google one-upping them on their own home field.  This along with the fact that Google is one of Apple&#8217;s up and coming rivals in the modern wireless handset wars could have lead to Apple&#8217;s disapproval.  This fact was not lost on <a title="http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/google_voice" href="http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/google_voice">John Gruber of Daring Fireball</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And, to play devil’s advocate for a moment, I’m not sure the decision is entirely unreasonable. Don’t think about it in terms of Apple’s relationship with its carrier partners, but instead think about it in terms of Apple’s competition with Google. Google Voice is a mobile phone service provided by the maker of one of the biggest competitors to the iPhone OS. What if Google Voice were instead Microsoft Voice? And what if Windows Mobile were as modern and competitive as Android? Would you be as surprised then that Apple is discouraging iPhone owners from using the service? Just saying.</p></blockquote>
<p><a title="http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/google_voice#update-13:40" href="http://daringfireball.net/2009/07/google_voice#update-13:40" target="_blank">According to Gruber&#8217;s sources</a>, it was AT&amp;T in the end that killed this app likely for many of the reasons stated above, but I&#8217;m not inclined to let Apple off the hook so easily.  In the end it is the Apple iPhone and App Store, so at least some of the blame has to come back to them.  GV has the opportunity to be a game changer, and the iPhone had the potential to showcase it well, but for now, it&#8217;s just another case of a disappointing App Store rejection and a stifling of innovation on state of the art technology.</p>
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		<title>MacWorld.com: iPhone 3G S features 7.2 Mbps, AT&amp;T&#8217;s network doesn&#8217;t</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/141092/2009/06/iphone3gs_72mbps.html">Yet another reason</a> to wait on the 3G S upgrade for us in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>Verizon iPhone in 2010 with 4G?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mac Rumors quotes an interview with the Verizon CEO in the Wall Street Journal (subscription required) that mentions the iPhone. &#8230;the notion of Apple Inc.&#8217;s iPhone ever coming to the Verizon Wireless network, saying it is more likely that Apple would be willing to work with the carrier under the fourth-generation, or 4G, network, which follows [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/16/verizon-iphone-more-likely-when-4g-networks-arrive-in-2010/" href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/16/verizon-iphone-more-likely-when-4g-networks-arrive-in-2010/" target="_blank">Mac Rumors quotes</a> an <a title="http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB123991010146926199.html&amp;t=1239984902" href="http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB123991010146926199.html&amp;t=1239984902" target="_blank">interview with the Verizon CEO in the Wall Street Journal</a> (subscription required) that mentions the iPhone.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the notion of Apple Inc.&#8217;s iPhone ever coming to the Verizon Wireless network, saying it is more likely that Apple would be willing to work with the carrier under the fourth-generation, or 4G, network, which follows the same technology standard as AT&amp;T Inc.&#8217;s 4G plans. &#8211; WSJ via <a title="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/16/verizon-iphone-more-likely-when-4g-networks-arrive-in-2010/" href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/16/verizon-iphone-more-likely-when-4g-networks-arrive-in-2010/" target="_blank">Mac Rumors</a></p></blockquote>
<p>The timeline is interesting with Verizon&#8217;s 4G network launching in 2010 and AT&amp;T&#8217;s exclusivity agreement rumored to run out that year.  <a title="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/14/atandt-exclusivity-expires-in-2010-atandt-asking-for-extension/" href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/14/atandt-exclusivity-expires-in-2010-atandt-asking-for-extension/" target="_blank">With AT&amp;T said to be trying to extend its pact with Apple</a>, it&#8217;s easy to <em>assume</em> that Apple might shopping around for new partners.</p>
<p>On a personal note, this timeline is very interesting as Verizon is set to take over Alltel&#8217;s Oklahoma network in 2010, and my AT&amp;T contract ends mid-year 2010.</p>
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		<title>Skype for iPhone&#8217;s Wi-Fi limitation causing tension</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the day that Skype announced that their iPhone app has surpassed the 1 million download mark, MacRumors notes that there is a growing battle between consumers and carriers regarding their rights when using their mobile phone and service plan.  I, for one, would like to the the VOIP-on-WiFi-only restriction lifted.  I pay for data, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the day that Skype <a title="http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/04/skype_for_iphone_zooms_past_on.html" href="http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/04/skype_for_iphone_zooms_past_on.html">announced that their iPhone app has surpassed the 1 million download mark</a>, <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/03/skype-for-iphone-sparks-battle-between-consumers-and-carriers/" target="_new">MacRumors notes</a> that there is a growing battle between consumers and carriers regarding their rights when using their mobile phone and service plan.  I, for one, would like to the the VOIP-on-WiFi-only restriction lifted.  I pay for data, and I should be able to use as I like as long as it is within reasonable fair use.  Therefore, I was quite interested to read the following quote from the article.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;an open-Internet advocacy group is <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123876873806886721.html">asking the FCC</a> to see if AT&amp;T and Apple are violating federal rules by restricting Skype to just Wi-Fi.  &#8212; <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/03/skype-for-iphone-sparks-battle-between-consumers-and-carriers/" target="_new">MacRumors</a></p></blockquote>
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